Tuesday, April 14, 2009

Everybody knows the good guys lost

I dunno what came over me here.. I'm out there in the garden, trying to get a handle on some climbing vines that keep over whelming some trees, I came in for lunch and to check a few emails, opened a few links and here we go...

About rent, mortgages and landlords.
Between banks, interest rates and council regulations, it all tends to feel much like paying rent to landlords. I guess having a mortgage means we are in with a chance to break away though. Its so crappy this system designed to make the rich richer. I pity my neighbour - who pays the same in rent as I do in mortgage, but who doesn't have an income the banks will consider to offer a mortgage. So his destined to make somebody else wealthy and lives on year by year leases. He is trapped in "working class" and held there for no good reason. Its the very reason we left Australia for a job and cheaper land here... now we wait for our market chance to "climb the property ladder" and into some sort of "middle class", when all we really want is to down grade to somewhere more fertile and with better community where we can live off "the grid" a bit more, build what we need and get out of the loop that pins us down.

About climate change
The counter climate change stuff is interesting isn't it.

I see the counter arguments as being part of the manipulation as well, perhaps part of a sophisticated 10 year social plan - if we can credit global PR to being that powerful. Imagine you represented development and capitalism but you were faced with growing neo socialist ideas in your market. Ideas that ran contrary to the economic model you relied on. In the old days you'd just send in economic hit men or private armies to sort it out, but it was costly and you always ended up loosing something in the process...

Where might you turn now the world is more or less homogeneous? Public Relations. Your PR firm (inspired by the work of Edward Bernays) tells you they'll set up a 10-15 year straw man campaign that will draw in the socialists (generating a brief period of new technology consumption along the way) then just at the right time, throw them all out in the cold for another 10-15 years by blowing the whistle on the straw man campaign that suckered them all in. They'll call the straw man campaign Global Warming and have overly influential celebrities talk about it. These days its not hard to stir up media rating feeding frenzy. The PR firm tells you to wait 10 years for all the socialist, greenies, and anarchists to get sucked in, then you'll whisper to the anarchists that's its all a lie, and watch them go to work in their contrarian ways, tearing down your straw man and everything else with it - thinking they were exposing the truth. Beauty of it is, no one will know it was your straw man, they'll blame each other, and their silly replaceable figure heads they call politicians and national leaders. Eventually Global Warming and Climate Change will be dismissed as another Y2K, along with it all the hippies and alternatives who are constantly trying to escape your slavery and not buy your cars and genetically modified soy beans. Not long now and you can get back to the business of cutting down trees and patenting crops so you can build your all glass beach condos (complete with vineyard holiday retreat in the hills) and stuff your wife with silicone and botox.

I'm not convinced its all a social design actually. More likely its just the state of humanity today. For ages we've referred to it mystically as the eternal thread of evil under us all. Its probably more to do with some small economic feature that enables all those wretched weeds to grow over the rest of us. Our collective darker nature being given the right conditions to flourish to the point were we'll all just have to kill the shit out of each other some day in the not too distant future just to clear some space for hope. I just want out.

And how about the truth about pirates?

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sparkered said...

The Greenhouse issue is interesting. The counter arguments issue is very valid, no doubt its's an exact science to manipulate perception and public opinion especially with Bernays influence in PR(counterintelligence).

But what if the counter argument in the SMH and many other places is a valid scientific argument which counters the current mercantile system that has caused so much environmental dedegradation?

I was reading a book by a very influential banker called Jacques Attallai called 'A Brief History of the future' at the weekend. I highly recommend. He outlines very lucidly how society is controlled and exploited by the elite class through history through military, religion doctrine, culture and mercantile system. He then moves from the past to the future and clearly describes how climate change will benefit and expand the continuance of the current mercantile order. In particular linking carbon auditing with hyper-survelliance, that is where every aspect of an individual's life is tracked and traced with survelliant technology and taxed against their carbon footprint. In other words it's a tax, and a control grid to keep the individual in check.

Some countries like China who have no carbon costs will benefit from even more business moving there without the environemtal check of western society and perversely leading to further environmental degradtion. For economic reasons pollution will also be condoned to fight the straw man of climate change for example, dumping aerosolised chemicals into the atmosphere to block the sun's ray's (Geo engineering the planet) or dumping iron into the oceans to choke marine life and grow algae to absorb carbon (sequestration).

What if the mainstream Climate change driven sustainability is unsustainable?

What if stopping growth, limiting sustainable innovation, consumer choice free trade, environmetal capitalism so to speak was stimied to keep the current economic interests growing even greater as the old fiat system collapses.

A good example of sustainable innovation cut short to watch mean is the doco, 'Who killed the electric car'

Jacques Attalai also make the point that the new mercantile system needs to give people a purpose and meaning something to fight for otherwise they won't go along with it. Climate change has fitted the bill quite nicely towards that end. I recommend the book 'The Next Global revolution' by the Club of Rome for a breakdown of this thinking.

From what I can see Climate change is a must be, I don't expect the emerging Mercantile system of carbon trading, sequestration and taxation to dissappear just because of a clear and logical counter argument to the science. It's taught at school so the next generation will be nicely indoctrinated.

I understand how difficult it would be to reconcile that the Climate change might be a fallacy, esp for those with good intentions put so much of themselves into the idea.

Sean FitzGerald said...

I've read many of the skeptic's arguments, and many of them have been well-and-truly countered.

However, I do think that Plimer does have a point: How much can we trust computer projections?

Still, the vast majority of climate scientists and the vast majority of scientific organisations say climate change is happening, and the vast majority of those say it's anthropogenic, so that's good enough for me.

Am I 100% convinced climate change is happening? Yes. It's pretty hard to deny when the icecaps and glaciers are melting. Am I 100% convinced it's anthropogenic? No I think it's too early to tell. Am I convinced cap and trade or carbon tax is the way to fix it? I honestly don't know.

At the end of the day the scientists could be wrong. I hope so, but that's not what the preponderance of evidence seems to be saying.

As for the argument that pro-climate change scientists are all in lock step because of herd mentality or because they want funding, I don't believe that. You could accuse the skeptics of being just as mercenary. I believe that scientists, for the most part, are interested in the truth, and that includes most of the skeptics.

I don't buy conspiracy theories about it being about social control, or about Al Gore making money either.

sparkered said...

Sean which articles do you refer to?

'Still, the vast majority of climate scientists and the vast majority of scientific organisations say climate change is happening, and the vast majority of those say it's anthropogenic, so that's good enough for me. '

Anonymous said...

and the majority of financial advisors said that the share market was where it was at and the majority of mortgage brokers said it was affordable and the majority of all these people now say they never saw it coming but the majority of them seem to be doing ok. where i live there seem to be alot of people still buying luxury cars and ugly handbags.

fuck majorities - i look forward to the day where we work out how to think clearly and develop real knowledge instead of believing that our only options are experts or mystics.

and as for global warming, the most sensible person i know (a scientist) has said for years that it's a beat up. it doesn't mean he thinks we should burn forests - he's just saying it's a beat up. and i believe him. (not that this is good news - he also says that mass extinctions are common and that we seem to be in one. but he definitely denies the global warming meme).


Anonymous said...

PS and anyway, it's not black and white - no-one is that smart fortunately

here's something to cheer you up



Leigh Blackall said...

Hey thanks rg. That link really did cheer me up. I added it to the starting a business project

Helen said...

John Perkins - "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" - well worth listening to. I recall learning about multinationalism 20 years ago at UoC in sociology but it was never explained so clearly and honestly - only that it was a bad thing for everyone but the corporations from the US. Global warming or no global warming I think we are all missing the point - It's not the threat of a temperature rise we should be focussed on but stopping that megalomaniac country USA from expanding it's greedy evil empire any furthur.

sparkered said...

Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away


Antarctic / Reuters
Cool down ... ice is expanding in much of the Antarctic, experts say / Reuters

* Ice expanding in much of Antarctica
* Eastern coast getting colder
* Western section remains a concern

ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

Why Peter why?

'Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.

Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.

Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual. '

Forget that scientist, planetary weather patterns are fat people's fault say the scientists. Which expert do you listen to?


Truly insane, why do you think these extremely different climate change stories are published?

sparkered said...

Global warming alarmists out in cold
Article from: Herald Sun

Andrew Bolt April 29, 2009

IT'S snowing in April. Ice is spreading in Antarctica. The Great Barrier Reef is as healthy as ever.

And that's just the news of the past week. Truly, it never rains but it pours - and all over our global warming alarmists.

Time's up for this absurd scaremongering. The fears are being contradicted by the facts, and more so by the week.

Doubt it? Then here's a test...

sparkered said...

Global warming alarmists out in cold